Echo3 Community Meeting in Ulm, Germany on 2013-04-18

blueshift's picture

Hello everybody!
I would like to invite everybody to participate in our small Echo3 Community get-together which will take part on 18. April 2013 starting at 10am in Ulm, Germany.

The current agenda is:
1. Introduction of ourselves and our connection to Echo
2. Optional: Short demos of actual Echo applications
3. Discussion on the state & roadmap of Echo3
_ a. Review & Current status of Echo3
_ b. Goals, interests and stakes in Echo3
_ c. Potential Tasks, priorities and contributions to the roadmap
4. Optional: Hands-on: Review and integration of our changes for a “next” pre-release branch

So the key goal of this get-together is exchanging our stakes in Echo and organizing our joined efforts as community of Echo3 users.

Please feel yourself kindly invited if the time & location is suitable for you. If you would like to take part please contact me by E-Mail at B.Schmid/at/exxcellent.de for further information and organization.

- Benjamin

ScoPi's picture

I would love to attend and

I would love to attend and think it would by highly beneficial, but unfortunately current budget constraints make this an impossibility for me despite being in Wiesbaden. I just wanted to reply so you know that there are still some of us around. ;-)

Please post a follow-up after the meeting to let everyone know how it went and what was decided.

spider's picture

Hi ScoPi, we (2-3 persons)

Hi ScoPi,

we (2-3 persons) are travelling from Karlsruhe, and you are welcome to drive with us for free if this would be of any help for your budget (or anybody else who might be interested)...

cheers, Chris

Great idea

Hi Benjamin,

great idea - count me in!

Eddie

blueshift's picture

Great news! Looking forward

Great news! Looking forward for your visit.

Hi altogether, Great idea.

Hi altogether,
Great idea. I'll ask my boss to send 2 persons.

One question: Which will be the language of the meeting (de/en)?

Greetings,
Bjoern Weitzig

spider's picture

Hi Björn, the language

Hi Björn,

the language will depend on the participants. I guess we will have one guest from Nepal, so in that case we should probably speak English.

Chris

blueshift's picture

Wow - great to hear! Sounds

Wow - great to hear! Sounds like we should have arranged a community meeting much earlier.
Do you already know, how the chances are you joining, too? Because in this case It's better if is start to look out for a larger conference room.

I'm sad to announce that my

I'm sad to announce that my boss doesn't give the resources to come to the meeting because we have some time-critical projects which have higher priority. So won't be there :( , but I'm very interested in the results. It would be great to read something.

Greetings,
Bjoern Weitzig

Submit something in writing

Hi Bjoern,

that's a pity that your boss doesn't see the importance of this meeting.
Maybe you can put some thoughts on paper as send them to Benjamin on topics like where you would like to see Echo3 head, what potential help you could provide, etc

Eddie

blueshift's picture

Status update

Honestly me and Chris are quite excited about the interest so far. Meanwhile we now have guests even from Berlin - which turned out that finding free hotels at this date is not that easy. I just received another inquiry on a potential participation.

So in any case I think we should post a short summary memo here after the event to inform everybody who was not able to take part about the major topics of this event.

Looking forward to see you all!

spider's picture

Join us online!

For those of you who can't attend our meeting in person we will try to set up a Google Hangout, so we can share our ideas and proposals there as well.

My proposal is (for the sake of efficiency) to limit the hangout to 1 hour, where we (the on-site people) can resume what we had talked so far in the morning, and you can give your feedback, proposals, votes etc.

If you are interested please sign up at the following Doodle list:

http://www.doodle.com/4vqc78zwzh8acip5

cheers, Chris

P.S.: Instructions for connecting to the Hangout meeting will follow

ScoPi's picture

Great idea! I have signed up

Great idea! I have signed up to be available all three hours (12 - 3) on Thursday... Will audio/mic be a requirement? If so, I'll have to dig on that...

spider's picture

I'm glad that you can join

I'm glad that you can join us, ScoPi - at least virtually!

Audio/mic is not mandatory, I guess a text-chat will do as well...

ScoPi's picture

I type fast. :-)

I type fast. :-)

blueshift's picture

Join us on freenode IRC

Join us on freenode IRC channel echo3.

You can use the web frontent https://webchat.freenode.net/ if you don't have a IRC chat client available.

ScoPi's picture

So how did the meeting come

So how did the meeting come out? Excited to hear!

spider's picture

Hi ScoPi, too bad you

Hi ScoPi,

too bad you couldn't assist, the meeting was pretty good, we will post a resume later or tomorrow. In the meantime have a look at the Google Doc which has been updated by Benjamin (I will PDF it and put on my DropBox later on).

cheers, Chris

ScoPi's picture

Great! Thanks. Good to hear.

Great! Thanks. Good to hear.

blueshift's picture

Short summary of the meeting

So as promised here a short summary of out meeting yesterday. If you want to know things a bit more in detail, maybe throw a look into the Google Docs document. There we collected a few notes and created a task list for the next steps.

First of all I would really like to thank everybody for participating though it implied significant travelling and efforts. Overall we had a very constructive meeting with some really helpful insights. Overall we were 6 people originating from all-over Germany (Berlin, Frankfurt, Karlsruhe, Ulm).

After a first introductional round each participant demonstrated one or more exemplary echo applications. The range was quite impressive:

  • Graphical overview of heaters, venting and other house sensors/actors in declarative expressed tabular dialogs and a interactive, graphical overview chart with dynamically updated controls & labels.
  • A feature-demonstration application with various, interactive custom controls (Echolot) and freshly design UI themes
  • A fully dynamically layouted and very complex business application for extensive data retrieval with truckloads of fields and lazily loaded grid and tabular views.
  • A date & resource planing application with an outlook calendar like planning view of complex date situations.
  • A innovative virtual web desktop. Intended as single workspace supporting plugin applications.
  • A planning application for coordinating transports of large masses of people peoples in cooperation with various transport logistics companies.
  • A very innovative and beautifully designed interactive control application on a Nexus 7 tablet with advanced touch control.

As a side effect edge was also able to show us Nextapps visual UI editor (Eclipse plugin) which allows the definition of Echo screens using a tree editor and a schematically preview of the effective layout. Subsequently it generates and updates "view classes" which resemble the defined visual properties and offers a interesting trade-off between simplicity and comfort/efficiency/extensibility.

During the presentation of their solutions, a few very positive statements were claimed over and over: Most users were really happy with the functionality, ease and effectiveness of Echo and how well it worked out for them effectively having no real issues with Echo during their whole experience. More than half of us reported to have used and evaluated many other web framework & solutions over and over again and still found Echo to be by far the best solution from a technical solution. The real big issue is so by far more the status of the project itself and the uncertain issues regarding the project continuity given the current situation.

It was quite clear that we all would love to have Tod back in the boat and help to develop a sustainable business model around echo. On the other hand it became quite clear that if not, only the transformation of Echo into a real and community driven open-source project is the only alternative option. To be able to do this without starting a painful project fork, we would need Tods support for doing this properly.

So - we finally came out a with a few tasks to do this. On the very top of the list we're trying to contact Tod to get a clearer view on the options we have. Depending on the outcome we'll hopefully be able get the project back moving forward. Directly after this task on our list we identified the urgent need for an official 3.0 release (actually the version is already tagged on github) and the surrounding infrastructure to provide further 3.0.x bugfix releases an new 3.1 development releases in an easy fashion. So we want to set up an automated build/deployment solution ideally with an additional maven repository for an easier start.

To better coordinate our efforts regarding new features and bugfixes, I'll also write a short guide in the Github wiki documenting the process for contributing pull requests. Based on this we will start to integrate the work of Chris and XSoftBG into the mainline 3.1 code base.

So far from my side. Hopefully I did not mix things up and was able to give some impression on our Meeting yesterday.
Cheers!

spider's picture

Hi Benjamin,very good

Hi Benjamin,

very good summary of our meeting yesterday! I think the mood was quite upbeat and encouraging in any case. What we couldn't talk too much about was about new features and possibilities, because the time was just too short for all that, and we just wanted to stay focused on the next concrete steps and their actual accomplishment.

Thanks again Benjamin for hosting this event and the real eXXcellent ;-) organization! And looking forward for the next developments to come...

regards, Chris

P.S: Attached the Google document of the meeting as PDF file

ScoPi's picture

Great! Sounds really

Great! Sounds really positive.

What is the URL for our Github branch again? Also, I assume the URLs for the new things like the Google Group will be posted here?

GitHub-URL

The URL for the sources in GitHub is quite easy:
https://github.com/echo3/

Greetings
Bjoern